There is a scenerio in the league I'm in in which there are two divisions containing six teams each.
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We play 13 regular season games. The first 8 games are scheduled against the opposite division (non-division games) & the last 5 games are against our own division opponents (division games).
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Our playoffs consist of 2 rounds. Six teams qualify including 4 wildcard teams and 2 division champions who earn 1st round byes.
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The rules clearly state that the tie breaker is decided first and foremost by head to head record.
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(EXAMPLE OF ACTUAL RULES)
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Power & Playoff Rank Tiebreakers
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1. Best head-to-head record*
2. Best division record (same division only)
3. Most average points/game
4. Hardest schedule (record)
5. Hardest schedule (points)
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So, here's the scenerio...
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The two division winners finished with records of 9-4 (West Division) & 11-2 (East Division). They both earned 1st Round byes.
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The #3 Seed finished 8-5 (2nd-East). The #4 Seed finished 8-5 (2nd-West).
And, There was 3 teams that finished with a record of 7-6. One of those teams were in the West division. And, the other two reside in the East division.
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Here's what happened...
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One team from the West and the other team from the East (both 7-6) made the playoffs leaving the other (7-6) team out.
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(Incidentally, it's the top six teams that qualify for the playoffs. So, as in 2012 we had four teams qualify from the East and just two from the West.)
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That said, the team that was left out this year had won their head to head matchup against the other team that got in. And, this is what doesn't make sense to me.
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EXAMPLE:
Final Standings...
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EAST
Boston (11-2)** #1
Toronto (8-5)* #3
Baltimore (7-6)* #6
New York (7-6)
Big Daddy's (5-8)
BBR (1-12)
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WEST
Steelers (9-4)** #2
Columbus (8-5)* #4
Vancouver (7-6)* #5
Goodfellas (5-8)
Chicago (5-8)
Carolina (5-8)
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Here's the deal... Baltimore had beaten NY in their only matchup which was a division game in week 10. So, according to the (head to head) rules, Baltimore is seeded ahead of NY. That's fine.
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But, NY had beaten Vancouver in a non-division game in week 4 and yet was not awarded the #6 seed and a playoff berth. That doesn't make sense to me.
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There's nothing in the above rules that state anything about division record coming into play and even so, according to the rules NY, having won their one and only game against Vancouver should own the tie breaker, right?
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That's how I'm seeing it and thus I am not understanding why it didn't play out that way.
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I am the owner of the Baltimore team. And, the reason I have made this inquiry is because this situation had altered my seeding from being the #5 seed to being seeded #6. And as a result, instead of having a 103 - 82 victory in Round 1 against the #4 seed, I instead have been eliminated because of a 103 - 124 loss to the #3 seeded team.
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Now, I don't know if anything can be changed in the result that there's been a mistake in seeding but, I just have to find out how and why Vancouver managed to make the playoffs over NY.
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Not to mention my disappointment if I wasn't given a fair shot at winning a playoff game let alone a champipnship.
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If anyone can shed light on this please do. Thanks.
We use 3 divisions and 13 games for our 12 team league. We schedule it so that you play everyone in your division 2x and you play every other team except one team 1x. It all works itself out every year without any controversy.
My read is that since Baltimore beat NY and NY beat "Vancouver" and "Vancouver" beat Baltimore (fleaflicker.com), that was considered a three-way tie in head-to-head record, so division record was used to break it.
I'd rather points count for more personally. Simplifies things like this three way tie as well. Lost out on a division title two years in a row to a head-to-head thing even though I dominated the whole league in points both years. Points should count for something in my non-humble(partially bragging) opinion. FFS! hehe
Losing a first round bye both years was the worst part. Lost the first year and won the 2nd, so I feel a little better about it now, but still think points should count first.
joeroadsFri 12/12/14 12:27 PM
There is a scenerio in the league I'm in in which there are two divisions containing six teams each.
.
We play 13 regular season games. The first 8 games are scheduled against the opposite division (non-division games) & the last 5 games are against our own division opponents (division games).
.
Our playoffs consist of 2 rounds. Six teams qualify including 4 wildcard teams and 2 division champions who earn 1st round byes.
.
The rules clearly state that the tie breaker is decided first and foremost by head to head record.
.
(EXAMPLE OF ACTUAL RULES)
.
Power & Playoff Rank Tiebreakers
.
1. Best head-to-head record*
2. Best division record (same division only)
3. Most average points/game
4. Hardest schedule (record)
5. Hardest schedule (points)
.
So, here's the scenerio...
.
The two division winners finished with records of 9-4 (West Division) & 11-2 (East Division). They both earned 1st Round byes.
.
The #3 Seed finished 8-5 (2nd-East). The #4 Seed finished 8-5 (2nd-West).
And, There was 3 teams that finished with a record of 7-6. One of those teams were in the West division. And, the other two reside in the East division.
.
Here's what happened...
.
One team from the West and the other team from the East (both 7-6) made the playoffs leaving the other (7-6) team out.
.
(Incidentally, it's the top six teams that qualify for the playoffs. So, as in 2012 we had four teams qualify from the East and just two from the West.)
.
That said, the team that was left out this year had won their head to head matchup against the other team that got in. And, this is what doesn't make sense to me.
.
EXAMPLE:
Final Standings...
.
EAST
Boston (11-2)** #1
Toronto (8-5)* #3
Baltimore (7-6)* #6
New York (7-6)
Big Daddy's (5-8)
BBR (1-12)
.
WEST
Steelers (9-4)** #2
Columbus (8-5)* #4
Vancouver (7-6)* #5
Goodfellas (5-8)
Chicago (5-8)
Carolina (5-8)
.
Here's the deal... Baltimore had beaten NY in their only matchup which was a division game in week 10. So, according to the (head to head) rules, Baltimore is seeded ahead of NY. That's fine.
.
But, NY had beaten Vancouver in a non-division game in week 4 and yet was not awarded the #6 seed and a playoff berth. That doesn't make sense to me.
.
There's nothing in the above rules that state anything about division record coming into play and even so, according to the rules NY, having won their one and only game against Vancouver should own the tie breaker, right?
.
That's how I'm seeing it and thus I am not understanding why it didn't play out that way.
.
I am the owner of the Baltimore team. And, the reason I have made this inquiry is because this situation had altered my seeding from being the #5 seed to being seeded #6. And as a result, instead of having a 103 - 82 victory in Round 1 against the #4 seed, I instead have been eliminated because of a 103 - 124 loss to the #3 seeded team.
.
Now, I don't know if anything can be changed in the result that there's been a mistake in seeding but, I just have to find out how and why Vancouver managed to make the playoffs over NY.
.
Not to mention my disappointment if I wasn't given a fair shot at winning a playoff game let alone a champipnship.
.
If anyone can shed light on this please do. Thanks.
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Sincerely,
Joe Roads
Baltimore Roads
DFG
joejoe_19Sun 7/5/15 11:15 AM
We use 3 divisions and 13 games for our 12 team league. We schedule it so that you play everyone in your division 2x and you play every other team except one team 1x. It all works itself out every year without any controversy.
mark_pundursFri 12/12/14 3:07 PM
My read is that since Baltimore beat NY and NY beat "Vancouver" and "Vancouver" beat Baltimore (fleaflicker.com), that was considered a three-way tie in head-to-head record, so division record was used to break it.
scotto1959Fri 12/12/14 10:59 PM
It all looks good to me.
RotoMotoMon 1/26/15 4:27 PM
I'd rather points count for more personally. Simplifies things like this three way tie as well. Lost out on a division title two years in a row to a head-to-head thing even though I dominated the whole league in points both years. Points should count for something in my non-humble(partially bragging) opinion. FFS! hehe
RotoMotoMon 1/26/15 4:29 PM
Losing a first round bye both years was the worst part. Lost the first year and won the 2nd, so I feel a little better about it now, but still think points should count first.
mark_pundursFri 5/8/15 8:24 PM
Take it up with the league's commissioner, or start your own league.